20 Best Travel Satchel Bag [2024]

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1 Cuero DHK 18 Inch Vintage Handmade Leather Travel Messenger Office Crossbody Bag Laptop Briefcase... Cuero DHK 18 Inch Vintage Handmade Leather Travel Messenger Office Crossbody Bag Laptop Briefcase...
2 Targus Laptop Bag — Black 15.6' Classic Slim Briefcase Messenger Bag, Spacious, Ergonomic, Foam... Targus Laptop Bag — Black 15.6" Classic Slim Briefcase Messenger Bag, Spacious, Ergonomic, Foam...
3 Mens Messenger Bag 15.6 Inch Waterproof Vintage Genuine Leather Waxed Canvas Briefcase Large Satchel... Mens Messenger Bag 15.6 Inch Waterproof Vintage Genuine Leather Waxed Canvas Briefcase Large...
4 MOSISO Sling Backpack, Multipurpose Crossbody Shoulder Bag Travel Hiking Daypack, Space Gray MOSISO Sling Backpack, Multipurpose Crossbody Shoulder Bag Travel Hiking Daypack, Space Gray
5 Mens Multifunction Canvas Crossbody Shoulder Bag Outdoor Travel Small Satchel Bag,Multi-pocket Purse... Mens Multifunction Canvas Crossbody Shoulder Bag Outdoor Travel Small Satchel Bag,Multi-pocket...
6 Women's Fashion Backpack Purses Multipurpose Design Convertible Satchel Handbags and Shoulder Bag PU... Women's Fashion Backpack Purses Multipurpose Design Convertible Satchel Handbags and Shoulder Bag...
7 18 Inch Retro Brown Laptop Messenger Bag Office Briefcase Crossbody Travel Bag For Men And Women Bag... 18 Inch Retro Brown Laptop Messenger Bag Office Briefcase Crossbody Travel Bag For Men And Women...
8 Kenneth Cole Reaction Chelsea Quilted Chevron 15' Laptop & Tablet Business Tote With Removeable... Kenneth Cole Reaction Chelsea Quilted Chevron 15" Laptop & Tablet Business Tote With Removeable...
9 Canvas Messenger Bag for Men Women,Travel Satchel Shoulder bag 15.6 Inch Laptop Bags Business... Canvas Messenger Bag for Men Women,Travel Satchel Shoulder bag 15.6 Inch Laptop Bags Business...
10 17 inch Laptop Bag, Travel Briefcase with Organizer, Expandable Large Hybrid Shoulder Bag, Water... 17 inch Laptop Bag, Travel Briefcase with Organizer, Expandable Large Hybrid Shoulder Bag, Water...
11 Baggallini unisex-adult Everywhere Travel Crossbody Bag, Pacific,One Size Baggallini unisex-adult Everywhere Travel Crossbody Bag, Pacific,One Size
12 Small Black Sling Crossbody Backpack Shoulder Bag for Men Women, Lightweight One Strap Backpack... Small Black Sling Crossbody Backpack Shoulder Bag for Men Women, Lightweight One Strap Backpack...
13 Kenneth Cole Reaction Manhattan Messenger Shoulder Bag Colombian Leather Laptop Computer & Tablet... Kenneth Cole Reaction Manhattan Messenger Shoulder Bag Colombian Leather Laptop Computer & Tablet...
14 TUMI - Voyageur Just In Case Tote Bag - Lightweight Packable Foldable Travel Bag for Women - Black TUMI - Voyageur Just In Case Tote Bag - Lightweight Packable Foldable Travel Bag for Women - Black
15 TUMI - Alpha 3 Double Expansion Travel Satchel - Travel Bag for Long Weekends and More - Duffle Bag... TUMI - Alpha 3 Double Expansion Travel Satchel - Travel Bag for Long Weekends and More - Duffle...
16 Yiwanjia Women's Backpack Purse Casual Shoulder Bag PU Leather Satchel School Bag Travel Backpack... Yiwanjia Women's Backpack Purse Casual Shoulder Bag PU Leather Satchel School Bag Travel Backpack...
17 Backpacks for Women Fashion Leather Bags Satchel Bags Anti-theft Rucksack Ladies Travel Bags... Backpacks for Women Fashion Leather Bags Satchel Bags Anti-theft Rucksack Ladies Travel Bags...
18 LONDON FOG Cambridge II 16-Inch Classic Satchel, Olive Houndstooth LONDON FOG Cambridge II 16-Inch Classic Satchel, Olive Houndstooth
19 Travelon Satchel Crossbody Bag, Wine, 13.5' x 10' x 4' Travelon Satchel Crossbody Bag, Wine, 13.5" x 10" x 4"
20 KPL 14 Inch Leather crossbody bags Purse Women Shoulder Bag Satchel Ladies Tote Travel Purse full... KPL 14 Inch Leather crossbody bags Purse Women Shoulder Bag Satchel Ladies Tote Travel Purse full...
SaleBestseller No. 1
Cuero DHK 18 Inch Vintage Handmade Leather Travel Messenger Office Crossbody Bag Laptop Briefcase...
  • FULL GRAIN LEATHER : Our bags are made from full grain leather and lined with durable canvas and are Handcrafted by skilled craftsmen
  • DIMENSION : 13 X 18 X 5 (height , width, depth) . Has an outer pocket that can fit about an iPad and other useful stuff easily laptop easily.
  • STORAGE : With Size 18" width x 13" height x 5" depth ( Fits laptop upto 17.5 inches) , 1 big laptop compartment, 2 small sections and and 4 small...
  • COMFORT AND DESIGN : Has an adjustable strap with shoulder pad for comfortable carry. Has a handle on top for convenience
  • PERFECT USE :With a mutlipurpose use and a classy distressed Vintage inspired look which never goes out of style , This bag is a great gift idea for...
Bestseller No. 2
Targus Laptop Bag — Black 15.6" Classic Slim Briefcase Messenger Bag, Spacious, Ergonomic, Foam...
  • PROFESSIONAL CARRYING BAG – A computer bag that's both slim and lightweight, perfect for on-the-go professionals. Featuring practical compartments,...
  • SPACIOUS AND ERGONOMIC – The laptop bags have a spacious design with larger slots for files and a laptop and smaller slots for notepads, power bank,...
  • FOAM PADDED COMPARTMENT – The foam padded laptop compartment in our luxury computer cases for laptops will protect your slender computing devices...
  • STRONG AND DURABLE – Our computer bags for laptops will be your favorite travel and workplace buddy for years as it is designed to last. It is...
  • VERSATILE USAGE – Our laptop carrying case can be used for anything and everything. Carry files, business cards, keys, storage drives, power bank,...
SaleBestseller No. 3
Mens Messenger Bag 15.6 Inch Waterproof Vintage Genuine Leather Waxed Canvas Briefcase Large Satchel...
  • DURABLE & WATERPROOF: Men messenger bag is made of superior crazy horse cowhide leather and water resistant canvas for long-term use. Disordered...
  • PLENTY ROOM FOR ORGANIZING: This leather messenger bag has 9 pockets to meet your various need. 5 outer pockets and 4 inner pockets for putting your...
  • REMOVABLE & ADJUSTABLE STRAP: Shoulder strap of canvas messenger bag is detachable and can be adjusted at the most suitable length. Padded handle and...
  • CONVENIENT MAGNETIC SNAP & PADDED LAPTOP SLEEVE: Laptop messneger bag is double secured by magnetic snaps and zippers. Inner padded laptop sleeve fits...
  • DIMENSION: The external dimension of this briefcase is 15.1"L * 4.3"W * 12.2"H. Laptop sleeve dimension: 15.0"L * 9.5"W.It is a messenger bag which is...
Bestseller No. 4
MOSISO Sling Backpack, Multipurpose Crossbody Shoulder Bag Travel Hiking Daypack, Space Gray
  • Larger zippered compartment is compatible with iPad Pro 11 3rd M1 5G 2021,compatible with ipad Air 4th 10.9 2020,compatible with iPad 10.2 2020...
  • Dimensions: 15.3 x 7.5 x 3.5 inches (L x W x H). Smaller zippered one for phones, wallet or outdoor/travel sundries. 2 mesh bags in each side for...
  • Flexible satchel shoulder strap varied from 18 to maximum 36 inch can be adjusted loose or tight. Perfectly fit your body. Two ways of carrying: left...
  • An earphone hole on the front pocket enables you to enjoy music easily. Meanwhile the breathable shaped padded shoulder strap and back panel is...
  • Made of durable and soft polyester material with gliding smoothly zippers and strap clip, allows you convenient access to your stuff. 1 year warranty...
Bestseller No. 5
Mens Multifunction Canvas Crossbody Shoulder Bag Outdoor Travel Small Satchel Bag,Multi-pocket Purse...
  • SIZE: 7.8 x 3.5 x 9 inch (L*W*H).Adjustable Shoulder Strap,Easy to Carry.
  • MATERIAL: Made of high-density cotton,100% cotton canvas,durable.
  • MULTI-POCKET DESIGN: Enough space can to put down your iPad,mobile phone, book, notepad, keys, umbrella, wallet, various cards etc.
  • Portable: This canvas crossbody bag can be used as a handbag/crossbody bag when traveling.Shoulder strap can be adjusted/The detachable shoulder strap...
  • 100% QUALITY ASSURANCE:Newest section men canvas small messenger casual shoulder bag small messenger bag men multifunctional canvas crossbody bag...
SaleBestseller No. 6
Women's Fashion Backpack Purses Multipurpose Design Convertible Satchel Handbags and Shoulder Bag PU...
  • Product dimensions are approximately: bottom width 12.3 inches, bag height 13.4 inches, thickness 6.3 inches
  • Multipurpose Design Easy conversion handbag backpack purse and shoulder.
  • Two zippers design on main bag, Guaranteed durability
  • Adjustable backpack straps and detachable multicolor shoulder strap. Rich pocket design inside and outside the bag
  • Measures approx 12.3" W x 13.4" H x 6.3"T Convertible satchel handbag
SaleBestseller No. 7
18 Inch Retro Brown Laptop Messenger Bag Office Briefcase Crossbody Travel Bag For Men And Women Bag...
  • Made from the finest Hunter buffalo leather and lined with high quality canvas this bag is hand crafted by artisans working with leather for decades
  • The bag size is 17.5 inch * 13 inch * 5 inch , you can fit upto 17 inch laptop and 18 inch macbook macbook air and have more spaces front 2 huge...
  • each bag have diffrent identity because made from full grain rustic buffalo leather and its change when you use because leather have special...
  • its hand made bag and we dont use machine for tanning and all we do pure chemical free tanning and if you use this bag you will love it
  • bag assurity if you use it and in the mean time 1 year if you have anu issue with the bag we will replace it free of cost
SaleBestseller No. 8
Kenneth Cole Reaction Chelsea Quilted Chevron 15" Laptop & Tablet Business Tote With Removeable...
  • Fashionable polyester twill exterior with chevron quilted detail and tear-resistant, fully lined interior
  • Padded laptop pocket fits most laptops with up to a 15-inch screen and separate padded tablet pocket is compatible with most tablets
  • Main compartment includes a padded tablet pocket, padded laptop pocket, mesh water bottle holder, open slip pockets, and a zipper pocket, leaving...
  • Front exterior has an easy access zipper pocket for frequently needed items
  • Rear exterior features a trolley strap to fit over most luggage trolley handles for hands-free carrying
Bestseller No. 9
Canvas Messenger Bag for Men Women,Travel Satchel Shoulder bag 15.6 Inch Laptop Bags Business...
  • This messenger bag is made of thick durable canvas, PU leather for long-term use.which it is heavy duty.It can protect your laptop and books entirely.
  • Perfect Dimensions: 15.8 x 5.1 x 14.2 inches; Fits up to 15.6 inches laptop.Special design laptop compartment with Telescopic belt provides more...
  • Multi-compartments: Large capacity with various pockets that fits all of your stuffs you need. 1 zipper pocket on the flap,1 large zipper pocket with...
  • Wide and thick shoulder strap which provide extra comfort for your shoulder that adjusts from 32" to 58" to be worn as a Shoulder Bag messenger bag or...
  • The vintage shoulder bag is a perfect choice as a commuter bag.It is also a good messenger bag for men and women and perfect satchel for business,...
SaleBestseller No. 10
17 inch Laptop Bag, Travel Briefcase with Organizer, Expandable Large Hybrid Shoulder Bag, Water...
  • Multi-functional Compartments: The roomy 17 inch laptop bag offers independent spaces for your essentials. 2 front zipper pockets are for pens, keys,...
  • Expandable Capacity(6 to 7.7 in): The expansion zipper of the briefcases for men make it more flexible. The laptop briefcase can be transformed as a...
  • Strong Compatibility: Soft lined laptop briefcase compartment fits a laptop up to 17 inches, suitable for Dell XPS 17, Dell Inspiron 17, Dell XPS...
  • Free Your Hands: The luggage strap on the back can attach the laptop briefcase to the rolling luggage securely. The humanized design of laptop bags...
  • Durable Material: The shoulder bag is made of high quality water resistant polyester fabric, classic generous and long lasting. Equipped with an...
SaleBestseller No. 11
Baggallini unisex-adult Everywhere Travel Crossbody Bag, Pacific,One Size
  • PRACTICAL AND STYLISH: The Everywhere crossbody bag brings you a convenient, hands-free design in a stylish, modern shape. Extra pockets help you stay...
  • MATCHES ANY WARDROBE: Our travel crossbody purse comes in a variety of colors and patterns to fit seamlessly into any wardrobe.
  • MACHINE WASHABLE: To wash in a washing machine, remove wristlet, place in a washing bag or pillowcase, and wash in warm water with mild detergent....
  • FITS ON LUGGAGE HANDLE: The Everywhere bag has a sleeve that slips on the handle of your rolling suitcase for hands-free travel.
  • LIGHTWEIGHT AND WATER RESISTANT: Our water-resistant crossbody bag weighs just 1 pound and measures 9” tall, 13.5” wide, and 5” deep with a...
SaleBestseller No. 12
Small Black Sling Crossbody Backpack Shoulder Bag for Men Women, Lightweight One Strap Backpack...
  • ✅【Small Size, Large Capacity, Lightweight】The SEAFEW crossbody bag is lightweight and very durable and sturdy! It's small enough that it doesn't...
  • ✅【USB Charge Port】This everyday sling bag comes with a USB charging port great convenience for charging your electronic devices via connecting...
  • ✅【High Quality Material】Shoulder bag for men women is made of high-quality nylon, waterproof, dirt-resistant, lighter and more easy to take care...
  • ✅【Durable & Breathable Design】 This sling bag is made of Mesh matrial. It is very soft and breathable, so when you sweat a lot and there is a...
  • ✅【Multi-occasion】Sling pack bag for women & men is perfect for multi-occasion. sling backpack bag for hiking walking biking cycling hunting...
Bestseller No. 13
Kenneth Cole Reaction Manhattan Messenger Shoulder Bag Colombian Leather Laptop Computer & Tablet...
  • Features Radio Frequency Identification (RFID) Blocking technology lined within the business organizer to help prevent Identity theft and block 13.56...
  • Features an adjustable cross body shoulder strap that extends 56" Inches, features a front & back zipper accessory pocket, and features a fully lined...
  • The "Bag For Good" Colombian leather tablet messenger bag from the Kenneth Cole Reaction 'Manhattan' collection is crafted from genuine full-grain...
  • The perfect genuine full-grain Colombian leather crossbody tablet messenger bag for travelers whom value both style and function while on the move....
  • Exterior Dimensions: 11.5" X 10.5" X 3.0"; Linear inches: 25"; weight: 1 lb. ,12 oz. ; material: Rich Full-Grain Colombian Leather.
Bestseller No. 14
TUMI - Voyageur Just In Case Tote Bag - Lightweight Packable Foldable Travel Bag for Women - Black
  • EXTERNAL FEATURES: Double-zip entry, Add-a-Bag sleeve
  • MATERIAL: Nylon
  • DIMENSIONS: Dimensions in inches: 14" x 23" x 9"; Weight in pounds: 0.6 lbs
Bestseller No. 15
TUMI - Alpha 3 Double Expansion Travel Satchel - Travel Bag for Long Weekends and More - Duffle Bag...
  • Exceptional: With impressive 13" of expanded depth, this duffel bag is perfect for long weekends
  • Articulating Shoulder Strap: Helps keep the bag from sliding off your shoulder as you move
  • Additional Features: Multiple pockets for electronics, business cards, passports and a key leash
  • Alpha 3: Business and travel pieces that bring together design, performance, and functionality
  • About TUMI: We strive for superior quality, design excellence, and technical innovation
Bestseller No. 16
Yiwanjia Women's Backpack Purse Casual Shoulder Bag PU Leather Satchel School Bag Travel Backpack...
  • (🔆◕ᴗ◕🔆) 👉 Material:This backpack is made of High Quality Soft PU Leather.Fashionable and Durable.
  • (🔆◕ᴗ◕🔆) 👉Size: 23*22*6cm. Beautiful and Simplistic Design Leather Button Closure Shoulder Bag Women Fashion Backpack.
  • (🔆◕ᴗ◕🔆) 👉LARGE CAPACITY - Roomy enough hold your books, iPad, cell phone, wallet, umbrella, glasses case, cosmetic and so...
  • (🔆◕ᴗ◕🔆) 👉APPLICATION:Convertible Multi-use.Three Different Carry Ways for Various Occasions.You Can Simply Use it As a Casual...
  • (🔆◕ᴗ◕🔆) 👉QUALITY GUARANTEE - Yiwanjia has committed to provide every customer the best product and service. So any problem about the...
Bestseller No. 17
Backpacks for Women Fashion Leather Bags Satchel Bags Anti-theft Rucksack Ladies Travel Bags...
  • 1.★ The backpack is made of high-quality pu, waterproof, scratch-resistant, large capacity, can hold a 13-inch laptop
  • 2.★SIZE:(L) 12.6 x (W) 6 x (H) 12.6 inches:30x32x13cm/handle height:10cm/3.94inch,weight:0.7kg/1.54pounds.】【Wallet:8.2”x4.8inch】total...
  • 3.★Exterior:One inner zipper pocket,2 side pockets,2 open pockets,1 big compartment,one big open pocket. Room enough to carry your daily things....
  • ★This women backpacks great for work , life , travel , college . Wonderful gift for ladies and young girls on everyday!
  • 5.★Makes brand bag is the only Authorizer of Fashion bags factory bags.Makes backpacks specializes in the development of fashionable mid-to-high-end...
SaleBestseller No. 18
LONDON FOG Cambridge II 16-Inch Classic Satchel, Olive Houndstooth
  • Stylish satchel for easy access carry-on with fully lined interior and zippered accessory pocket
  • Back of satchel slides over upright handle for easy carrying or can be used as an additional pocket
  • Dual carry handles are comfortable and stylish
  • Fog guard protection helps repel water & stains and this bag is backed by our limited lifetime warranty
  • 9x11x16 ; 1200 cubic inches / 20 L
Bestseller No. 19
Travelon Satchel Crossbody Bag, Wine, 13.5" x 10" x 4"
  • Deep, roomy main locking zipper compartment features 2 deep zippered wall pockets; one is RFID protected, 2 drop pockets, a tethered key clip with led...
  • Slash-resistant, adjustable strap that can be secured to a stationary object to prevent a grab-n-go and slash-resistant body panels
  • Front zipper compartment and rear locking zipper compartment
  • Two strap length options, one shoulder, another adjustable for cross-body use
  • Accented in beautiful rich Gun-metal hardware
Bestseller No. 20
KPL 14 Inch Leather crossbody bags Purse Women Shoulder Bag Satchel Ladies Tote Travel Purse full...
  • Made from Full grain leather and lined with durable olive green canvas this bag is hand crafted by artisans working with leather for decades
  • Concealed lock under main buckle for easy access . Rustic Vintage look which makes each bag unique ( just like the person who owns them )
  • Large Size Bag :Please Check Size and lifestyle image with model before purchase to avoid inconveneince Size 14 " Width x 10.5" height x 4" Depth (...
  • Big main compartment suitable to carry i pad's , tablets , phones and other routine stuff , Adjustable shoulder strap , 2 small front pockets for...
  • Multi utility bag can be used as a ladies tote, diaper bag, ladies purse , crossbody bag , shoulder bag

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FAQ:

Q: What’s the best leather satchel bag on the market?

A: What’s the Best Leather Satchel Bag on the Market? Saddleback Bags. Saddleback offers leather satchels made from the highest quality leather. … Bags From Alexander McQueen. … Proenza Schouler Satchels. … Col. … Kors Selma Selection. … Tignanello Classic Beauties. … Cambridge Satchel Company. … Frye Satchels. … Bags By Levengers. … Get A Fossil. … More items…

Q: Where can I buy a satchel bag?

A: You can buy your own satchels from your favourite packaging or office supply shop, but it can also be a box or a soft bag (padded is fine). The finer details Are satchel labels pre-paid? There’s no need to prepay or bulk-buy when you send a regular ‘satchel’. When you book online, you’ll be given a label to download and attach to your satchel.

Q: Which leather is best for bags?

A: – Spot test first. Before using a leather conditioner for the first time, do a spot test on an inconspicuous part of the item to make sure it won’t damage or … – Look for a neutral pH. … – Protect against sun damage. … – Check the label. … – Clean the leather before conditioning. … – Stick with a neutral color. …

Q: Which are the best leather tote handbags?

A: All leather accessories usually have a specific smell when they are new. No matter it is genuine or faux leather. … All manufacturers recommend wiping the bag only with a soft dry piece of fabric. … Leather is afraid of sharp edges,and other mechanical damages. Scratches and cracks are left on the surface,and you can do nothing with that.